VF [VFC] Conference call transcript for 2021 q2
2021-07-30 15:44:19
Fiscal: 2022 q1
Operator: Hello and welcome to the VF Corp First Quarter Fiscal 2022 Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to John Kelley, Senior Director of Corporate Development and Investor Relations. Mr. Kelley, please go ahead.
John Kelley: Good morning and welcome to VF Corporation's First Quarter Fiscal 2022 Conference Call. Participants on today's call will make forward-looking statements. These statements are based on current expectations and are subject to uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. These uncertainties are detailed in documents filed regularly with the SEC. Unless otherwise noted amounts referred to on today's call will be on an adjusted constant dollar basis, which we defined in the press release that was issued this morning. We use adjusted constant dollar amounts as lead numbers in our discussion because we believe they more accurately represent the true operational performance and underlying results of our business.
Steve Rendle: Thank you, John and good morning everyone. Welcome to our first quarter call. We are encouraged by the strong start to our fiscal 2022 year. Our teams delivered an outstanding first quarter powering VF back to pre-pandemic revenue levels while driving an earnings recovery well ahead of our initial expectations. We continue to see broad based momentum across the portfolio, which furthers my confidence in our ability to accelerate growth through fiscal 2022 and beyond. While the near-term environment remains somewhat clouded by virus surges in Southeast Asia, uncertainties in other regions brought on by the impact of new variants and further pressures on the global supply chain, our teams are executing. We remain focused on the things that we can control and winning the parts of our business with the consumers coming back strong. And we remain confident in our ability to continue driving this sharp recovery across our business. Matt, will walk you through our results in detail, but I'll start off with some Q1 highlights. VF revenue has surpassed pre-pandemic levels growing 96% or 83% organically to $2.2 billion with momentum across brands, regions, and channels. Our global DTC business delivered high single-digit growth relative to prior peak levels driven by a strong acceleration from our brick and mortar stores in the US and continued strength in our digital. Our organic DTC digital business is now 72% above fiscal 2020 levels including the growing benefit of our omnichannel capabilities as we serve our consumers seamlessly across their choice of channel. We've seen a sharp recovery in our wholesale business, which grew over 100% organically in Q1 approaching prior peak fiscal 2020 levels. Strong sell-through trends and clean channel inventory levels from the past year are now translating into stronger fall '21 and spring '22 order books supporting an improving outlook for our wholesale business for this year and beyond. We've seen a strong recovery in our gross margin, which grew 260 basis points to 56.7% in Q1. This represents organic gross margin expansion relative to prior peak fiscal 2020 levels despite a 30 basis point headwind from a more challenging logistics and freight environment. VF drove organic earnings growth of 133% delivering $0.27 in Q1. essentially doubling our plan. We're pleased to see our top line momentum and strong gross margin expansion translate into better than anticipated, SG&A leverage and earnings flow through an indication of the upside potential of our model as our recovery accelerates.
Matt Puckett: Thanks, Steve. Good morning, everyone. I'm really happy to update you on our strong Q1 results and revised outlook for the year. We are encouraged by the continued broad-based momentum across our business and the set up for each of our big brands heading into the heart of our fiscal year. Despite additional pressures throughout the global supply chain. I remain confident in our team's ability to execute and to build on the strong earnings recovery delivered in Q1. Let me start with an overview of the operating environment across geographic regions. In the Americas, less than 5% of our stores were closed at the beginning of the quarter and all stores are currently operational. The strong US consumer, easing US restrictions, and increased vaccination rates have encouraged a gradual recovery in foot traffic alongside continued strength in conversion. Our Americas DTC business grew 84% organically in Q1, surpassing pre-pandemic levels, led by a sharper than expected recovery in our brick and mortar business. Consumer appetite for athletic athleisure and outdoor categories remained strong benefiting our direct business as well as the performance of our key accounts. Low inventories and strong sell-through trends continue to drive down promotional activity and improved quality of sales across the marketplace, which is resulting in stronger than expected order books for the upcoming fall and spring seasons.
Operator: Our first question today is coming from Laurent Vasilescu from Exane BNP Paribas. Your line is now live.
Laurent Vasilescu: Good morning, Steve. Good morning, Matt. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to ask about Vans, it's nice to see the raised guide for the brand. It looks like Vans was up single digits on a 2-year stack and this is despite I think the toughest compare that you have for the year. How should we think about the growth rates between the first and second halves on a 2-year stack basis. And are you raising the annual guide based on certain regional performance or is wholesale. And then if I go into the minutia here, but it looks like DTC Americas was up, but there might have been a timing shifts within wholesale Americas, is that the case?
Steve Rendle: Hey, Laurent. Yes, you got a lot in that. So I think we'll make sure we try to get through it all. Good morning and, great to talk to you yes. So let me start with in terms of what we saw in Q1 as you laid out there, we're really happy with the result that we saw certainly the sequential improvement, in particular in our direct to consumer business and it also in the Americas, in particular from a DTC perspective. So that was really encouraging. There was some timing impact in the quarter from a wholesale shipping standpoint that we've -- by the way, that's all sort of caught up in terms of, in terms of that in July, that was about $30 million, so a few points of growth on a global basis impacted the results in Q1. So as it relates to our outlook, basically what we're doing here is we're flowing through the Q1 beat from a DTC perspective, again that was primarily the Americas, we are partially extrapolating that into Q2 based on the trends that we've seen. And by the way, July is off to a good start. And we are dialing in some stronger wholesale order book that we're seeing, again most -- most of that all in the Americas. I would -- what I would say in terms of your point about first half-second half, I would really just point you to the fact that our year-to-go outlook now implies about 12% to 13% growth versus fiscal '20. So I hope with that, I think that get everything you asked there in terms of some of the details.
Laurent Vasilescu: You did, thank you. Thank you very much for that on Vans, and Matt, Steve maybe a couple of questions on the, on how we think about the guidance. Obviously giving annual guidance but -- you talked about $35 million impact from incremental freight 20 bps to 30 bps on the GM. Can you talk about the shape of the gross margin between the first half and second half and I think, remind me, Matt I think during the Q&A last call Camilo asked about how do we think about first half EPS. I think it was around a $1.20 just due to the size of the impact of just the magnitude of it would be, how do we think about first half EPS?
Matt Puckett: Yes so let me first of all, we're not going to give bps specific Q2 outlook today. But certainly as evidenced by our outlook we're confident in taking the year up. Remember, I would, I would remind you that the September-October timeframe is always the hardest to call from a shipment timing perspective. I mean there's a significant amount of activity during that period of time as we begin to really load up things on the wholesale side for fall and holiday and just given the supply chain pressures it's really hard to call the puts and takes between quarters. And to some degree, I think we can expect the quarter-to-quarter volatility will continue in the near term. However, though with what we know today while some of the flow may not be perfectly optimized as we begin the season in particular, we don't expect a meaningful impact on our ability to ultimately deliver the fall holiday season. And I'll remind you that as we have continually done we expect that we will perform relatively better the competitive set. As it relates to gross margin, what I would say is certainly we're holding the year at greater than 56, we talked about the fact that we're absorbing some higher freight, particularly air freight and other forms of expedited freight. I think we said 20 basis points to 30 basis points in the prepared remarks versus our original outlook, so in a meaningful amount, I will tell you that the vast majority of that actually sits in our second quarter is the way we would expect that to play out. The other thing I would remind you that we have currency headwinds that we're up against that will begin to abate a little bit as we move later in the year and probably the last point I would make around gross margin we talked about the fact that our pricing actions, which have been relatively limited through spring '21 and fall '21, you'll see the impact of more significant pricing activity as we move into spring '22. So the Q4 window will benefit a little bit more from that perspective as well.
Laurent Vasilescu: Very helpful. Thank you very much and best of luck.
Steve Rendle: Thanks, Laurent.
Matt Puckett: Thanks, Laurent.
Operator: Your next question today is coming from Camilo Lyon from BTIG. Your line is now live.
Camilo Lyon: Thank you. Good morning, everybody. Just in looking at the detail you provided and the trajectory of the business versus '20, it seems like -- you're now going to be trending over the long term EBIT margins that you provided at Beaver Creek, how do we think about those implications as to what the business can deliver in this environment of full price sell-through, limited inventories and really accelerating demand on a global basis.
Steve Rendle: Yes, Camilo and good morning. Yes. I guess what I would say today is certainly we're really encouraged by first of all the sharp recovery in gross margin that we saw in Q1, which we've signaled and we certainly anticipated but certainly happy to see that play out. As anticipated, in the underlying margins in terms of the organic business actually above prior peak levels in our first quarter. And so, I think-- you could -- what you could I think -- think about relative to the outlook raised up to at least 13% operating margin given the air freight headwind that's at play and that we're calling out I think it really speaks to in our confidence in seeing that SG&A leverage beginning to play out. We said in our last call that if we saw some earnings opportunity which obviously we're seeing that come to pass a bit in calling the Europe you'd expect a strong earnings flow through as a result of that. So I think again seeing that play out despite the fact that we've got some headwinds on the supply chain side relative to freight that we didn't anticipate in May.
Camilo Lyon: Got it. And my second question is on, going back to the global the global regions or the regions rather. You raised -- in your slides you raised the Americas, but you kept Europe and APAC the same as the prior guide. Given what you're seeing in Europe in particular and what you talked about from a growth perspective in meeting demand in China, why would you not have raised EMEA and the APAC regions?
Steve Rendle: Yes, good question. So let me start first of all, APAC. China continues to be really strong, but you got to remember, rest of Asia is pretty volatile at the moment given flare-ups in virus. So it's not an enormous part of our business, but when you look at that total region there is some impact across what I'll call rest of Asia. I think about Korea, even Taiwan, Japan, Malaysia, Singapore, et cetera. So, on the Asia side there's been puts and takes there I think in terms of how we think about that business and the Europe business continues to be quite strong and probably -- probably with the play here a little bit too as when we laid out our initial guidance in May and talked about the opportunity, it could be a little conservative. I think that was predominantly in Americas related comments. So I think we're seeing the Americas business in the US consumer come back strong and that's playing out across our business by the way. That's a broad based comment across all of our big businesses really across our portfolio as we see the US consumer coming back strong. And certainly that's important from a go-forward standpoint and obviously it's critical to the Vans business I think in particular given the size of that business in the US as well as the size of the brick and mortar business here as well. So that's obviously really encouraging for us. The last thing I would say, we still are maintaining a fairly cautious approach from a year-to-go perspective in our direct to consumer business, we've got sequential improvement coming as our expectation, we saw a stronger result in Q1. As I said, we've extrapolated that a bit into Q2, but we remain careful there in terms of how that will play out over time. So, hopefully that answers your question.
Camilo Lyon: It does. Maybe I have just a clarification question on that, is it fair to characterize Europe as maybe being a quarter behind the US in terms of how you're stacking the resurgence in demand, is that a fair and accurate kind of depiction?
Steve Rendle: Well, our business has been really good all the way through, I would say it's a fair characterization in terms of the consumer and certainly, the fact that we opened the quarter in Europe with significant door closures, I think over half our doors were closed in the beginning of the quarter and many of those were closed through a third to half of the quarter and we're open -- we're open for business here now, as we close the quarter and as we sit here today. So I think from a consumer standpoint, consumer confidence, Yes, that's a fair characterization. Our business that has been really good and resilient, all the way through our business actually on a two-year stack in Europe was up in the quarter.
Camilo Lyon: Got it. Thanks for the color. All the best.
Steve Rendle: Thanks, Camilo.
Matt Puckett: Thanks, Camilo.
Operator: Thank you next question today is coming from Matthew Boss from JP Morgan. Your line is now live.
Matthew Boss: Great, thanks. So on the North Face, maybe could you help speak to order trends that you're seeing in the business and just drivers of the 15% to 17% increased outlook this year, which basically doubles your long-term target. Just what you're seeing in the business and confidence in those targets.
Matt Puckett: Maybe I'll start there. Hey Matt, good morning, the order trends are good. And honestly, the outlook has come up a bit in the North Face and the vast majority of that I think is related to US order book just to be blunt so the order books are good, but probably what's more encouraging and I'll let Steve talk of it here is, is the sell through continues to be really strong across our business across geographies and across channels. So that's giving us a lot of confidence in the things that we're doing that, that's really -- that's really resonating with the consumers that strong sell-through, obviously that would get stronger order book. So Steve, anything you want to add there.
Steve Rendle: Yes, I would just say it's the North Face sits in that in the outdoor camp, which has had a lot of energy, last year nets carried into this year and North Face is the number one global brand and with the work that the team has been doing, the focus around really the segmentation between the On-Mountain and Off-Mountain offer, we see a very strong growth with our FutureLight products, really proud of the team in the ability to deliver effective and secure. Two outside magazine awards across two different categories for one collection of footwear just really validates North Face's opportunity within that outdoor footwear space. But also you've heard us talk a lot about getting 365 day relevancy to evolve our sportswear specifically our logo wear and to be able to drive triple-digit growth in the quarter. This validates the work being done, the demand that's there for this brand globally, we continue to see very strong results internationally led by Europe and China very strong and it's just great to see the momentum building here, built based on the strong sell-throughs that Matt referenced the brand is in a really good position for the balance of the year. And hence, giving us confidence to raise the outlook.
Matthew Boss: Great. And then, maybe just to follow up on the expense line Matt how best to think about expenses that you see us transitory or more one-time to this year. And is there any change to the flattish five-year forecast. I think you -- laid out, which I think in the next two years would drive pretty material leverage on the SG&A line, just making sure we're thinking about this, right.
Matt Puckett: Yes. So, yes, there. Certainly, we think about SG&A in the short term, there are some transitory headwinds. I think we talked quite a bit about that. In May, and that hasn't really changed. I think we specifically see that in some of the freight cost, some of the freight out costs where we've seen a pretty significant increase. I think a lot of that is around supply and demand, as well as in distribution. We've got, some one-time costs that we're navigating here in the short term as we bring on board the new distribution capabilities the new capacity in a couple of places in the US as well as our new distribution center in the UK. So we're quickly sort of lap that and move past that to go through that. So certainly I think there is some transitory headwinds. As it relates to the longer-term view, what we've said is that we expect, and first of all, really happy to see our Q1 results right and the leverage that we saw there versus our original expectations. Now, we'll say, some of that timing related; certainly in terms of the spend shift or the spend timing. Some of that shifting -- shifting out a little bit but happy to see that kind of progress, we've said that we expect to exit the year with SG&A leverage and we said we expect to see next year will be sort of right on track with the long-range algorithm and sort of the path towards that mid-teens overall operating margin that we laid out in Beaver Creek, we'll be back on that path. And so, hopefully, that gives you the sort of the context, you're looking for.
Matthew Boss: Great. Best of luck.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question today is coming from Michael Binetti from Credit Suisse. Your line is now live.
Michael Binetti: Hey guys, thanks. I have a few. Thanks for all the help today, and I guess on Vans, guys. Matt, I can tell you see some optimism in the order book in North America. It really helps you talk about that a little bit, what's changing just help us understand where the increases are coming from in that business. I think maybe someone touched on earlier, there was, it looked like a little bit of a wholesale shift that impacted in first quarter, but I think it would be really helpful to understand where the increases are come in on the wholesale order book particularly in North America relative to where you were 90 days ago.
Matt Puckett: Yes, good morning, Michael. I would say it's really sort of broad-based honestly across the US market and it's really driven by, as we saw in our own stores. We just see a continued improvement in the business, right. I think a lot of that is guides to the fact that consumers are coming back into stores, we're relatively well positioned from an inventory perspective coming through spring, and as we head into back-to-school. And so we're seeing those sales to stock ratios performed quite well and again that's broad based. We're seeing that in the sort of the specialty channel, we're seeing it with some of our key national partners. So I don't think it's any one place, I think it's relatively broad based. And as you know the order windows are a little tighter in Vans meaning we're taking orders about 4 to 5 months out based on our shorter lead times there and so we said, we have the opportunity to get after more volume if the business came on little stronger and we've seen that occur and so that's sort of playing out as we hope it would and it is.
Michael Binetti: And then, I guess you made a comment in the prepared remarks on Vans that you thought we would see some reflection of Vans being at the top of the competitive set -- over the next few quarters and we haven't seen many of the footwear brands report yet here lately and I would argue off of 2019, you guys are having very strong growth rates in Vans in 2019 you are comparing against that. But I'm trying to think maybe you could just tell me a little bit more what was behind the comment that you think you expect to be at the top of the competitive set as we look at Vans over the next few quarters?
Steve Rendle: Good morning, Mike. This is Steve, I'll take that. Where we see the opportunity to perform at the high level here against our competitive set is really within our supply chain's ability to service the forward demand that we see and really keep Vans positioned with inventory, which is having certainly a positive impact and the ability to see the wholesale lift but also the DTC lift that we're seeing. You all might remember in the last call, I talked about having significant opportunity as DTC came back on board and that momentum is building and carrying us really nicely into the back-to-school time frame here. The demand trends are encouraging and our ability -- we're set for back-to-school with the inventory required and that comment about the supply chain really is about our ability to chase back into and replenish that inventory if we see an outsized sell-through consistent with what we see here today.
Matt Puckett: Mike, maybe I'll add one thing there that we've talked about the point about versus the competitive set, part of that really is also around our retail stores right and the retail store teams in those associates really that are the brand ambassadors. As we've talked about -- that's been a bit of a challenge for us quite honestly as stores were closed throughout a large part of the last year not having that, which is a big part of and sort of the overall ecosystem, not just the opportunity to buy in stores, but the experience that you get in the connection and the engagement that oftentimes is most robust in those stores and so we know that our stores are open as consumers are back in stores, that's going to play to our advantage. And so that's definitely part of that thinking in terms of how we feel versus the competitive set.
Steve Rendle: And I'd pile on there a little bit Mike, we're reaping the benefits of supporting our retail teams through last year by not furloughing them but we carry those talented associates forward and the historical conversion rates that we see we're actually seeing a slight outperformance to that and that's drive, that's another aspect of the strong DTC results that we're currently seeing.
Michael Binetti: Great, thanks a lot that's helpful.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question is coming from Erinn Murphy from Piper Sandler. Your line is now live.
Erinn Murphy: Great, thanks. Good morning, Steve. you talked about in your prepared remarks about the wholesale level, coming back to almost pre-pandemic levels. Can you share a bit more about the complexion of wholesale today versus pre-pandemic from a mix perspective, how does it look in terms of the composition between key partners, third party digital. And then I have a follow-up on Dickies. Thanks.
Steve Rendle: Okay. Yes, I'll just follow the line of your question there, Erinn. I think the key account component of our wholesale business is critically important and some of those key accounts are digital -- digital key accounts and we've talked a lot about our European partners, our Asia partners but here in the US we're seeing strength in the outdoor space, we're seeing strength in the sporting goods space and as we -- as we get our brands in a position to fill that demand -- the pent-up energy that we saw coming out of Q4 into Q1 is driving that wholesale performance.
Erinn Murphy: Got it great. And then on Dickies, I mean the growth has been really incredible both on the topline all. some margins, can you share a bit more about where you see the incremental share gains coming from both in the Americas from here as well as in China. Thanks.
Steve Rendle: Sure, I'll grab this one and Matt if needed will fill in the blanks here, but we're excited about the Dickies business. Since the acquisition, this brand has significantly outperformed our acquisition plan and even despite COVID. We're seeing strength in our core work business here in the United States. We're seeing really nice acceleration in the Work Lifestyle component, that's now about 40% of our total revenue. So this team over the last two years has really simplified their approach to the business focusing on their core icons building out the lifestyle piece of the business while really respecting that core Workwear. We have channel expansion opportunities that we see going on beyond just that those core work point of sale, we are growing in to sporting goods. The recent launch of the skate collection is accessing a whole host of new specialty skate accounts which is just a great brand building image component. It's also giving them permission to elevate some of the offer. We've recently launched the Signature Collection which is an elevated higher price point better gross margin collection of items, really built off those core icons. So just, I think it's -- I think the point here is, they focus the business. It's broad-based across all three regions building against the traditional channels, but because of its broad based momentum they're able to now extend into adjacent channels of distribution new wholesale partners, while we at the same time build our digital acumen and our ability to speak to consumers directly.
Matt Puckett: Yes, maybe just one thing to add there maybe a little less sexy but also really important. And to give credit to the teams and thanks for asking about Dickies, the brand is performing and the teams are doing a great job, we didn't make it easy on that after acquisition, we had to spend the Kontoor business and we sold off Occupational Work, all of which had impacts because of the connections in the back end of some of the things that we were doing there. So we've had some fits and starts there in the early days, but we are really now starting to see the benefits in the supply chain through some of the integration activities around demand planning, as an example, which ultimately allows us to service the business in a better way too, so that's certainly helping while at the same time, obviously there's a lot of momentum from a brand key perspective. So those things coming together is I think sort of a one-two punch.
Erinn Murphy: Thanks so much.
Steve Rendle: Thanks, Erinn.
Operator: Thank you. Your next question is coming from John Kernan from Cowen. Your line is now live.
John Kernan: Yes. Excellent, thanks for taking my question. I wanted to go back to Vans, you gave some helpful commentary on North Face and where that business is from a margin standpoint, I think you said mid-teens for this year, which is an impressive recovery. Where does Vans sit in the overall margin profile relative to where it was back in Beaver Creek in pre-fiscal '20 and it was significantly higher from a contribution margin then every other brand in the portfolio. Just curious where that sits now and where you think it's going to go in fiscal 2022 and beyond?
Matt Puckett: Yes, I think it's still in the same spot right. It sits well above most of our brand portfolio from a profitability standpoint really, strength in the gross margins, strength driven from the direct-to-consumer business that really, really profitable brick and mortar franchise. If you think about, I mean the one thing I would say versus pre-COVID levels there is still a little bit of a headwind there primarily because of two things, one the freight side of things that they're dealing with as all of our brands are but remember too, that's the one business where brick and mortar is really significant. And while we're seeing sequential improvement and while fortunately we're seeing that even be a little stronger than we thought. We're still modeling brick and mortar to be down across the year and not really fully recover until early fiscal '23. That was my point earlier about, we remain fairly conservative in our outlook there as we move through, in particular back half of the year. So there's a little bit of overhang there in the short term, but, yes Vans profitability that you would have seen in Beaver Creek and what we've talked about historically that remains, and the outlook on a longer-term basis it's really compelling in terms of value creation.
John Kernan: Understood. And then just going back to I guess North Face and Outdoor, can you talk to the growth you're giving off of fiscal '20 pre COVID levels indicates a nice recovery. Can you talk to the sequencing as we go through the year. I think the guidance for the remainder of year was above where you were in Q1, so just curious how we're thinking about North Face as it relates to both wholesale and DTC as we go through the remainder of the year.
Matt Puckett: Yes. Certainly and I'm not going to be specific quarter to quarter, but you can expect sequential improvement as we step through the year notwithstanding what could be some, some volatility from a shipment timing standpoint around that peak shipping window as we begin to move into fall holiday. Yes, I think the thing to remember there is the strength that it's still heavily weighted business toward fall holiday wintertime and the strength of our performance last year from a sell-out perspective and the order book profile as a result of that, both in the US and in Europe. So that's a big part of the growth as we see that wholesale business bouncing back sharply and as we see our direct to consumer business continue to recover sequentially, as we talked about in Vans, similar kind of comments there.
John Kernan: Understood. Thank you.
Operator: Our next question is coming from Bob Drbul from Guggenheim. Your line is now live.
Bob Drbul: Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I guess I would love to hear some more about what you've learned so far on Supreme, the update, the integration, the game plan, any early learnings, I think the accretion was probably a little bit better than we anticipated. Any commentary you could share with us would be great. Thanks.
Steve Rendle: Yes, good morning, Bob. And so I would tell you first we're really happy with the progress of our integration. The thoughtful really targeted approach that we're taking allowing Supreme the opportunity to learn about VF. Our VF teams, the ability to learn about the Supreme business and where are those opportunities to provide capabilities. The brand is performing in line with our expectations and those expectations -- we're seeing stronger results versus the long range growth targets that we have for the business. I think where we're connecting most probably most effectively is with our supply chain teams and it couldn't -- certainly couldn't come at a better time as we look to leverage our logistics capabilities, leverage our scale and the relationships specifically to assist in shipping and work in partnership with the Supreme team to assure their weekly cycle of the drops stay as close as possible to the going in seasonal plant, so it's early, certainly in the, in our understanding of the business, but we're very confident about the long-term value creation thesis that we put forward for the Supreme business and continue to see regional expansion -- and partnering with the team to leverage our skills and capabilities.
Bob Drbul: Great, thanks. And just on the supply chain. I guess if we go back to the decision to add the incremental airfreight. Is that a function of just trying to make sure you have the product to meet the demand is it incremental bottlenecks that you're seeing in Vietnam or in China and I guess is the expectation just in the coming quarter or if you can just give us an idea in terms of how long do you expect the incremental -- pressures on the margin from the incremental air freight. Thanks.
Matt Puckett: Yes, certainly what we're dealing with there -- what, we said and be a posture we've taken here is that the business is strong, from a demand standpoint and we're going to ensure that we can satisfy that demand in the most optimal way, so we're certainly looking where it makes sense, we're going to spend against airfreight and other expedited freight avenues to ensure we do that, we're seeing certainly some delays in the supply chain. I will tell you, for us it's generally weeks and certainly not months, but we are seeing some delays in the supply chain given the environment in Southeast Asia in particular. Fortunately, by and large, most of our factory base is operational that's not 100% but most of it is operational and where it's not obviously we're working really hard to understand what those impacts will be. And I think, again as I said earlier we anticipate maybe some optimization from a flow standpoint at the beginning of the season. But we certainly expect as we move through the season we're going to be able to support the business and ultimately deliver things for fall holiday.
Steve Rendle: And maybe to pile on here Bob. I think as we look at strategically using airfreight and other expedited forms of moving our goods, we see an opportunity to capture share because we do think in some cases because of our factory partners their current operational capabilities certainly not operating at full capacity but at sufficient capacity. We think we have the opportunity to be in a position to grab share with some of our large brands, certainly with our own distribution, our own DTC and e-commerce, but there are opportunities to work with our key wholesale partners and advantage there position as well.
Bob Drbul: And Steve, if I could just follow up on that are you saying that you have taken additional orders because you feel like you can meet the demand or are you still working with your original order books across the various brands. Just trying to understand the dynamic.
Steve Rendle: Yes so, job one is to really fill the initial order demand. We did see additional demand come in to our fall order books and that's reflected in our outlook and within that there is some additional goods to serve as upside demand you know as well it's not going to be an exceptional amount, but we are really playing to win because we see an opportunity here to recapture share and in advantage at least our largest brands -- but really looking across our whole portfolio -- because of the strength and capability of our supply chain teams, it's not going to be easy. This is a very difficult environment. We're not the only ones to talk about that, but this is where our teams really come to life. This is where VF is built to compete in this kind of environment, and we feel very confident about our ability -- in those things that we can control -- to supply the demand and airfreight expedited freight is a critical part of our being able to do that.
Bob Drbul: Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question is coming from Jonathan Komp from Robert W Baird. Your line is now live.
Jonathan Komp: Yes. Great, thank you. Just maybe one clarification first and thinking about the DTC outlook. I know you raised the full-year target. But are you assuming the trend you're seeing currently for Vans does not continue or is that the message. And I guess globally for DTC have you reflected the more positive order book indications into how you're thinking about your own DTC business.
Matt Puckett: Yes, I think from a DTC perspective, what we've done is certainly we've sort of bank what we saw occur in Q1 and we've begun to uplift our DTC projections in particular in Q2, in particular in the Vans business and in particular Vans Americas. So I think that's the statement that's true across the majority of the direct-to-consumer business we're reflecting some of those trends but it's most significant in that Vans business. So we are doing that. I think just to the point we had in the last, in the last question, what we have done, we haven't -- we've been pretty cautious in our actual assumptions from a revenue perspective in the back half of the year. We haven't really changed those just to be frank, but what we have done in particular in Vans is the point that Steve was making, we are leaning in a little bit from an inventory perspective to create some additional capacity there for upside, whether that be in our own stores or potentially even in terms of wholesale reorders. So we're beginning to lean in a little more aggressively from an inventory posture standpoint in Vans in particular and to some degree in our Dickies business as well.
Jonathan Komp: Okay. That's really helpful. Thank you. And Steve, if I could follow up one more question on Vans, I'd be curious any learnings you have from the newer approach in the recent months with the product drops in the incremental marketing attention you've been focusing on Vans any learnings from that. And then how should we think about your plans in those areas going forward?
Steve Rendle: Yes. Thank you for that question. This is an exciting development for Vans. It's something that they pivoted and moved on very quickly, just remind everybody this idea of a 52 week drop model was to really think and act like a true retail operator and bring a more predictable -- a more visible understanding of the product flow and use this to create brand heat and we've seen that play out extremely well. We're only about 7 weeks in, they are learning every week -- about just how to really manage -- the offer for the week, how to marry the content and the storytelling, how to lever broad-based global drops, it could be available across multiple channels of distribution versus very select fault type products. But the point here is, they're providing visibility and they're giving visibility in enough time for consumers to learn about it will be excitement and that frenzy demand that we've seen really reflect itself in some of the key -- some of the key collections that have dropped this year Bodega from a specialty bob collection to the broad based SpongeBob SquarePants and most recently the Metallica drop. What you're going to see us do or our Vans team do is they get just refining the model they will start to publish the drop list and we think that's something that will be possible by Q3, so that give the consumer visibility of what's coming and begin to allow themselves to be positioned to capture the product if it's limited drop or be in the queue if it's broader based drop. So, I think this is just a really thoughtful evolution to what was already a well-designed, go-to market model, but this is about driving brand heat and increasing consumer demand and ultimately consumer loyalty.
Jonathan Komp: Yes. That sounds very innovative for a brand like Vans, thank you very much.
Steve Rendle: Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. We have reached the end of our question-and-answer session. I will turn the floor back over to management for any further closing comments.
Steve Rendle: So just real quick. Thank you everybody for taking the time to join us this morning. I would just tell you and we couldn't be prouder of our teams who helped us deliver an outstanding quarter. We continue to work hard to meet the demand, and to be able to power back to pre-pandemic revenue levels slightly ahead of where we thought we would and to see that earnings recovery. It's just a validation of our model. The growth is broad based across brands, regions, and channels despite continued COVID related impacts that we're seeing both from a consumer standpoint but also back through our supply chain. We're going to be remain very focused on the things that we can control and we're going to drive against those parts of the business where the consumer is coming back strong and continue to drive towards delivering a year that is stronger than what we originally committed to and meet your expectations, but ultimately drive the value for our shareholders that you expect.
Operator: Thank you. That does conclude today's teleconference and webcast. You may disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day. We thank you for your participation today.
